Sal Go On The Spot

Welcome to the first episode of Slovenly On The Spot 

Slovenly On The Spot  launches with a grounded, unfiltered conversation featuring Sal Go of Sexxfaces, an artist whose path through punk is as deliberate as it is hard-earned.

In this episode, Sal traces her entry into the scene, from the first spark of discovery to the formative bands that shaped her voice and presence. The conversation moves beyond origin stories into something more reflective: what it means to stay committed to punk over time, and why she continues to show up for it.

We also dig into her experience as a person of colour within the scene. Examining the shifts and the realities of navigating spaces that haven’t always been built to include everyone.

This is a conversation about endurance, identity, and the deeper reasons people stay rooted in underground culture long after the novelty fades.

WE'RE ON THE SPOT!

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:45

Go back to start a time and why it's really excited to have it on and enjoy it. And I know you just put out like a new record recently, right?

SPEAKER_03 0:58

Yeah. Well shit. Last year. That was still kind of recent.

SPEAKER_01 1:03

Yeah, still kind of recent. I guess you could still with when it comes to music, I guess.

SPEAKER_03 1:08

May 25. Yeah, May 2025.

SPEAKER_01 1:10

You could still play a record that's old, that's a year old, man.

SPEAKER_03 1:15

I don't think it's I think so.

SPEAKER_01 1:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:18

I mean, we have we're we're just doing our well, I can save it and talk about it.

SPEAKER_01 1:23

Um about the record is I see you going on tour as well, hey.

SPEAKER_03 1:28

Yeah, yeah. So we're going on tour on the west coast in two months in April. Starting in Oakland, playing with useless eaters. Um, and then we're going up to uh shit, I don't know the whole route. It's uh Washington. I think there's like th only three states. I kind of forget. Like on the West Coast, it's like on the East Coast, you could be in like, you know, ten different states. Don't quote me on that. I don't know geography. Um but on the West Coast, it's just like three. It's like Washington, Oregon, and California. So yeah, that's where we'll be. Um yeah, it looks it's gonna be fun. Um I'm yeah, it's gonna be great. Uh I mean, it'll be warm in April.

unknown 2:16

Yeah. Hopefully we're gonna play with some cool bands. The venue views look cool. Pete Pete's driving us.

SPEAKER_03 2:22

Oh, that'll be fun. Yeah, so he's gonna be DJing maybe in some of the spots. He's gonna be driving, so we don't have to worry about all that and tour managing, which I'm can't I don't know how to do that. It was kind of a mess last time. Trying to figure out like how how much, but like who's who has the cash? I don't know. Where's the how much should we make? Uh there's like crumpled up bills everywhere, you know, like I'm just they're not very organized. Yeah. So um it's good to have someone like that's gonna be helping us with that.

SPEAKER_01 2:57

Sweet, man. And then like, do you prefer like like what's what's what's harder? Is it harder to like record a record or is it like harder to like do a tour? Like what's what's more fun or like what's easier?

SPEAKER_03 3:09

I mean, for me, for me personally, and I think everybody in the band will tell you something different, but I really like to tour and play live more than I do recording. I actually kind of hate recording. I mean, I it's it's okay, it's kind of fun, but I I always uh get a little bit too like in my head of like, oh no, I want it to sound like this, but never does completely, and then I get like mad about it. But then I I think like this record, I really liked how it came out. I thought it was pretty close to what I'd envisioned and what um we had kind of told the engineer. Yeah, so I was happy with it. But yeah, like for me, um I'd rather be playing shows than recording. I kind of hate sitting in the studio and just taking forever to do everything.

SPEAKER_01 3:58

Over and over again. I I know exactly what you mean. We just finished our album recently as well, and I had to redo the vocals. Or like just open up the vocals, and it's just like over and over and over and over again. It becomes so tedious at that point, you know, you're just like, fuck, dude, like I played this already. I'd have to do this again.

SPEAKER_03 4:19

Yeah. Yeah. For me, I'm worse at I'm not very good at guitar. So when I hear it back, I'm like, damn, I need to practice more. But um, vocals, yeah, I kind of enjoy that. Uh if you get the right mic, I don't know. I think it sounded alright. Um gotta like fuck up your voice a little bit. You know, smoke cigarettes, drink whiskey.

SPEAKER_01 4:43

You're back on the cigarettes now.

SPEAKER_03 4:46

I'm back on the cigarettes now. Fuck the bait, man. Remember what happened to me? It was terrible. Lost my voice, and it happened last time, last tour. Um like the first day, like in like Columbus or something, and then uh the day after, I was like, oh my god, nobody's and then and then um yeah, and then in Nairobi, like even before we played, I lost my voice just from vaping too much and yelling, being loud and obnoxious, and you know, whatever, chatting with everyone all night, you know, because we've been like everyone's hanging out at the crossroads, just talking all night, bullshit and talking shit. Yeah. So um, so yeah, no, like the cigarettes. I mean, I'm trying to smoke less, but it's hard dude. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:34

I wonder.

SPEAKER_03 5:35

Especially in the winter here. It's cold, like, you know, you're just like sitting inside, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:39

I still drinking a little bit of a little bit in Canada with Kim Khan recently as well, hey.

SPEAKER_03 5:43

Oh my god. I don't even know where to start. Well, um, so you know, uh I became homies with the triumphs um during the fest. These Canadians, led by uh Jay uh Sherrett, a native.

unknown 6:02

Um I forget his tribe.

SPEAKER_03 6:04

Uh I'll fuck it up if I try to try to say it. But anyway, um, and they um we kept in touch, you know, hit me I I hung out with them in Amsterdam on my way back from Nairobi, actually, which was really fun. And um, so they are going to be putting out the record soon, but they also have another single they're putting out and they wanted me to sing on it. So uh I came out there at a Toronto and Ed Erish uh was there on his on his medication now. So, you know, first thing he did was give me a flask uh and two of his books. Um I forget what they're called. I think one is called like the Black Power Tarot. Oh yes. And uh there's another one too. I haven't I haven't let Red Reddit yet, but I I think he did a card ring and you know, he he played sitar on some of the tracks. Uh so yeah, it was like three days of like kind of recording, kind of just partying, hanging out. But yeah, I did sing on like uh two of his songs and that was fun. And I I recorded a bunch of footage, which I need to look at to see what can be salvaged of it because it's it's kind of uh it was kind of mad. It was kind of mad.

SPEAKER_01 7:18

I'm sure, dude. Whenever whenever Arish is around, dude, it can get like that. Fuck, dude. I'm thinking back to like the time he was in South Africa, he was like in my house, bruh. And I was just taking trying to take a nap, and he was just pacing up and down, up and down on the phone. Yeah, he was spoken to like his accountant at one point, and he's like, Don't tell me how to spend my money.

SPEAKER_03 7:42

He was just it's really funny while a when he runs out of people to talk to in person, he'll just call people and start yelling.

SPEAKER_01 7:52

I miss him though.

SPEAKER_03 7:53

Uh yeah, I miss him. Yeah, uh, he's uh yeah, he's on the he's on the our Triumph group chat. I think he's in Austin right now. So nice.

SPEAKER_01 8:04

Well, what is Bad Vibes OST?

SPEAKER_03 8:09

So what is the the record? What is the concept, the whole thing? Well, it kind of started that we have a zine called Bad Vibes, or uh it was Jackie's zine at first, and then I started contributing it and it kind of became like a sex faces done zine. Um, I mean, we're we put out six issues so far. And the concept is kind of like everyone gets a bad review, but it's not like mean spirited, it's like more like, you know, just kind of taking the piss, poking fun, and and that actually, and it's mostly local stuff, local shows we see or bands and things like that, or their releases. And we actually get a lot of people being like, I really love the review, even though you like made fun of us um whatever, made fun of our song title or band name or how we dress on stage. They're like, I have it framed, and I think it's really funny, but like, I don't know. Um, so when we were trying to come up for a name for the album, um they there were just all these like bad ideas. So I thought of like, oh, what if we what if we make a zine to go with it and then it's a soundtrack, and I'm like, okay, yeah, so that that was really all it is.

SPEAKER_01 9:22

Um I love that. And what does the OST itself stand for?

SPEAKER_03 9:26

Original soundtrack. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:29

I see sick, dude. Yeah, and then I want to ask you again as well. Like, I I I I saw on your Instagram the other day you posted a picture of um the chaos crew, and I saw you with this fucking big ass mohawk and all these dudes with spiked hair and colorful fucking jackets and shit. Tell me about that, dude. Tell me about what it was like, like being in this fucking crew and like you grew up in DC, hey.

SPEAKER_03 9:58

Well, partially, but then I moved to the both. So that was a high school, right? It was about late nine, I think, um ish. Yeah, yeah. So, but I was going to school around Cleveland, and then I just kind of started going to the um punk scene in Akron, Ohio. And that was kind of like one of our squatty little punk houses, and we, you know, all these kids are just partying there all the time, and it was it was kind of a mess. Uh those times were um different, I don't know, like I think const you know, constant cell phone surveillance and cameras, you get in a lot more trouble and get away with it, I think. So we kind of got in a lot of trouble back then. But yeah, like some of those people are s I I lost touch with some of them. Some of them passed away sadly. Um, but yeah, like I I did grow up like listening to punk since I was a child, like 12 or 13, and I had an older brother, so that was kind of my gateway, you know, like stealing his tapes. And then when he's like when he found me with like a I don't know, like rancid or green day record or something, he's like, let me give you like real punk to listen to. Not a you know, but like actual like more music. So I would get into like crass. And um, even though I like had no idea what the hell they were talking about, I was like, this is cool. I was not smart enough to understand the crass lyrics until much later. But I really liked the aesthetic and just like the pure like you know emotion behind it and yeah, energy behind it.

SPEAKER_01 11:44

And um, like growing up in that, in that in that space, like what was it like? Like what made you want to just what like was Six Faces your first band, or have you been playing in bands for a long time?

SPEAKER_03 11:55

Um right. No, I started my first band in high school up there in Ohio in Cleveland. What was it called? It was called the Shitfits. The Shitfits. Yeah. And we were not allowed to play the Battle of the Bands at our high school because of our name. And we're like, well, we're not gonna change the name. Skew your lame little like high school battle of the bands. So we played basements, yeah. And um yeah, I have a clip, I should send it to you. Um but yeah, that was my first and and I I think like when I started listening to punk, I kind of always wanted to be in a band. Like it just seemed like a fun thing to do, you know, like just play and even travel. Like I always wanted to do that. Um so that was my first band, and then later on, moved around a bit, life happened. I went started another band in Baltimore, um, called Blonde's Eye was my next band. And that was the first band, that was like early 20s, I think. And so that was like the first band that I started like touring a bit in and like booking tours through like my space at the time, you know, and then like making connections and then like you know, um trying to do that a little bit. Uh it was more like really very, you know, it was like early 2000s, so it was very like sleazy, garagey kind of p-punk rock. Not great, but still fun. Yeah, and then I've been in a couple more other projects since then. Um, so Sex Faces is not my first rodeo by far. Um, but it's the most current one and the one that like right now I'm like trying considering doing another band again. But for a while it's kind of like I have time for like one band right now. Um, but I might start some new ones. We'll see what happens this year. I want to learn drums. I've been trying to learn drums.

SPEAKER_01 14:02

How's that going?

SPEAKER_03 14:03

Um, slow, but I I have my like what are they called? Paradiddles, paradiddles. I got my drumsticks, my drum pad. Um recently I'm gonna do it.

SPEAKER_01 14:15

It's going.

SPEAKER_03 14:16

I think I think I don't know how long it takes to be able to play in a band, drums. Maybe like a couple months, a year? I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 14:23

Nah, you just gotta do it, man. There's some kids over here, like in South Africa who just started. Like, these kids do not know how to play fucking instruments, bruh. But they just fucking play. And I think it's the coolest thing ever. And they all look so cool.

SPEAKER_03 14:37

It's charming when you're a kid, when you're like a four, fifty-year-old woman that's like, what the fuck is she doing?

SPEAKER_01 14:44

Yeah, I think she uh I don't know, whatever. Yeah, nice iron right now. Now most of the Six Faces is based in DC, like Hannah, Hanna, and um Neil and Jackie, right?

SPEAKER_03 15:00

Yeah, everyone's in DC. Um we're all like within 10 minutes of one another. So when when we're all around, we hang out all the time. We're like buddies, you know. So that and that's kind of how I want my band to be, is like a crew, you know.

SPEAKER_01 15:16

I I'm not gonna considering like the climate of like um what like what like punk and DC was, you know, like you have bands like The Bad Brains, Minor Thread, people like Henry Rollins, uh fucking Bikini Kill, all the dude. You know the fucking singer from Bikini Kill follows the band? I was like, no fucking way. I couldn't believe it. I was just like, yeah, yeah. But like being in such a like a rich punk, uh a rich history of punk and a place like that, do you ever feel like a bit of pressure like a pole, or is it just kind of like whatever? Like I don't know, uh is it like a remnant of that scene back in the days? And or is it completely different? Because I know like back in the early 2010s and the 90s and the 80s, like punk and hardcore and even hip hop was very much a kind of fuck you attitude, you know. And I'm gonna do what I would do with that attitude. So I'm I'm curious to find out if it's kind of similar or has things changed and like has and because of the change, how is that conference to you guys and what you want to speak about?

SPEAKER_03 16:28

Yeah, I think well, yeah, that that scene is kind of still around. There's some of these old heads like from the whole Discord playing in bands, um, and you'll see them around and chat with them, they're cool, you know. Like Fort Reno, Amanda Mackay puts that on every year, and it's uh in the park. She's all she always wants to get new bands to play. Um and and there's like a lot of they still do a lot of the positive force benefits up at the the church. I would say that I don't feel as so much a part of that that scene as much. Um I kind of feel like we're sort of in our own thing. Like we do have like we do have like socially like kind of political songs talking about, you know, this and that, um things that we're concerned about. But a lot of it is also just kind of dumb, like fun punk too, or or shit that we think is funny, or like so it's kind of a mix, you know. Um we don't take ourselves too seriously, I think. So like there's a r a remnant of the kind of I think the garage scene that uh you know, how me and Jackie met was kind of more in that scene with bands like the points and the Lolitas and and um you know, my old bands. So it's kind of that irre irrelevant or what's it called? What's the fucking word I'm trying to think of? It's not irrelevant. It's irrelev I'm gonna remember this later. Irreverent, irreverent, that's the word to please edit out my brain part. Um the irreverence is kind of a little bit of you know, I wouldn't say it's nihilistic or anything, but I feel like we want also that it I mean like we're having like fun in this band, you know, like doing the art, doing the scenes, playing the shows. Um so I I think we're like a bit of a less seriously minded of the bands in DC I see around that are a lot more like, you know, we'll only play benefits or this and that and stuff. I mean, you know, play a benefit mentor, you know. Like it's a mix, you know, it's a mix. Um but yeah, like it's just fun, you know. I think it's just fun, you know, for us. Um and I don't feel any kind of I don't feel any kind of pressure to represent DC a certain way. I don't. I I think that like I think we're proud to be from DC and like we even have like, you know, one of our shirt flags that says sex faces on it. But um, yeah, I don't feel like I need to like kind of like sacred standard established by people. I don't even really know.

SPEAKER_01 19:12

Yeah, yeah, I get that because like especially like when I like in my experience, you know, because we're like from Soweto, we have to rip this place so hard, you know, and that's kind of dissolved us into just being like the Soweto band, you know, like oh it's the guys from Soweto, you know, and and we again we love where we come from, you know, like it's it's it there's a lot of history backed in it as well, and like there's a lot of like um there's a there's Soweto has always been a rebellious place, you know, especially for you for kids and for and for politically, you know. So it makes sense, but like it's that's not our entire identity, you know. And like we're also a fun band. I mean we we don't we don't really have many, we have like a few political songs, but it's also just a matter of just like having fun, you know. And that's what punk is also about. Oh yeah, hell yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 20:04

I mean, like it was a good day. Come on, come on, those fun songs I ever heard.

SPEAKER_01 20:14

Seriously. And tell me, what was it like getting onto Slovenly? How did that happen? Like, I know with us and Pete, he just found us on like a blog post one day, and like and then he just reached out to us, and then that's how we ended up working with Pete. But how did it go with you guys? Like, did have you known Pete for a long time? Or tell me a bit like about your Slovenly history.

SPEAKER_03 20:37

Yeah, okay, yeah. Um, so we were part of the album do with it, and I was like, I know it's good, and uh it's kind of like, you know, maybe we should just see who wants to put it out. Like, just just check it out, like, you know, and if not, we'll put it out ourselves, you know. Might as well just see, and and we made a list of me, me and Jackie and Hana uh made a list of all like the labels that we already liked and would like like want to be on. And some of them were like completely, you know, wish list shit that was like they would never and um so so Bazooka Joe actually like he was like kind of he he does a like a he did or had been doing like a side label for Slavinly thing called Black Gladiator or something like that. And Jackie like knew him, and I kind of knew him just from like I don't know, random internet punk stuff. But so Jackie sent it to him and I guess called Jackie on Facebook, like he didn't have his number, and so he called him, he's like, This sh this shit fucks, like tell me about the record, like what the hell? Like like excited, really excited about it, and uh someone's like that. I guess so he sent it to Pete and then Pete was like like really into it. So then yeah, that's how it happened, really. We just had a call with Pete. Um And it and it was funny because I was, I mean, I always like bands on Slavinly. I always like the label. Um, and I didn't really know about We're Allowed Fest at the time. Like I kind of had heard of it before, but I was like, I didn't realize it was like connected. And so when I was looking at their website and I was like, oh shit, they're gonna do it in Kenya? Oh my god, we have to get on this label. Like, yeah, Jackie's from Kenya. We must return Jackie to Kenya. We must play for his sisters. And then meet his meet mom, you know, his mom and um eat delicious food with them, which was like a big highlight. Um, so yeah, that was basically how it happened. Um, and they've been really cool. Like, I mean, you know, like he's awesome, he's always excited, always uh coming up with his schemes and ideas. And kind of have to keep up with it or like, you know, so I'm I'm excited to see, like, we're gonna try to tour Europe later this year. We'll see what happens. Um yeah, uh, I I like I love I love the label. I think it's I have a a blast at We're Loud Fest. So it's worth worth it.

SPEAKER_01 23:11

What was it like in like first time in Africa and playing for like some African punks and also meeting some African punks? Like and like like me, you know, like what what how is that how how is because I'm sure it really it really changed. I remember when I went to the UK for the first time, but she like a like something switched in my head, you know, and it was also my first proper tour in the UK. So like how what was that like, you know? I'm curious. I know we were fucked up most of the time, but like I'm curious to know, like um what was your highlight?

SPEAKER_03 23:45

I loved I loved it. I felt like very relaxed there. Like I felt very well welcome, I guess. Um and it was really cool to just see lots of uh black pongs. Like I mean, they're like lots is the scene in DC is very diverse too, you know. It's not unusual, but like to just see like all like brown faces to an audio. I don't know, it was fucking cool. Like it was it was it was different and um and everyone was so fucking nice. Like Jackie had warned us, like you don't understand.

SPEAKER_01 24:23

Oh no, what's going on?

SPEAKER_03 24:26

Oh, sorry, sorry. Did it get cut off?

SPEAKER_01 24:28

Yeah, no, we good. Jackie was like, What? What did he say?

SPEAKER_03 24:31

Oh what uh oh, so Jackie was like, I'm warning y'all, Kenyons are extremely friendly. Like, extremely friendly. And we're like, okay, sure, like, you know, he's pretty friendly, so we were used to that. Extremely friendly, but we'll take the piss out of you, you know, but like funny, you know, in a loving way. And then he was completely right. Like everyone was so like cool, like I I can't think of yeah, like look like even um even just meeting people like when we would get hungry, like hung over or not hung over, drunk, and like let's go get those sausages on electric ab, and like just running into people on the street were just like it was just fun. Um and and I think also being like uh BIPOC, you know, or person of color too, I just always feel an affinity more with other uh people of color, especially in the punk scene. Just you know, I'm not saying I don't with other non what how do I say this correctly? It there's just something about like something beautiful about seeing more like minorities, at least I mean, I guess it wouldn't be minority.

SPEAKER_01 25:38

In Kenya, we wouldn't Kenya that's the majority.

SPEAKER_03 25:41

Asians would probably be the minority.

SPEAKER_01 25:43

I completely get what you're saying though, because like in South Africa it was like that for the longest time, dude. Like, um like especially in the early 2010s and the 90s and the 80s, you know, like the scene just was a bunch of white dudes, you know. Oh, in South Africa, in South Africa, yeah. And like it was it was and then when we popped onto the scene, especially, like it inspired more like black kids and brown kids to really just try this thing, you know. Now the scene is more more more black than it is white. It's like the most diverse it's ever been in the past like 20 years, you know, and it's really beautiful to see. That's cool. You guys should come here, dude. You guys should really come here. Like, come to Africa again, and you know, I want to be a good one. You'd love Johannesburg.

unknown 26:30

We're gonna get there. We're gonna get there. Me and Hannah were talking about it.

SPEAKER_03 26:34

Are you still gonna do the festival in October or something like that?

SPEAKER_01 26:37

Yeah, dude. I really want to. I actually need to fucking send Pete like a whole thing, dude, because he's gonna try to help me get funding. And I've just been putting it off because of this job that I started working at, and it's kind of like depressing me. Oh, not gonna lie.

SPEAKER_03 26:53

What kind of job is it? I'm working headphones, I don't know if that's it.

SPEAKER_01 26:57

Yeah, I know, because I was like, I was in a meeting, dude. I'm just in fucking meetings the whole day about nothing. It's like it's corporate, dude.

SPEAKER_03 27:04

Like it's it's just well one of those, like this could have been an email meeting.

SPEAKER_01 27:07

Yes, literally.

SPEAKER_03 27:08

Oh no.

SPEAKER_01 27:09

And I'm working at I'm working at an engineering firm and it's just oh well. Yeah, no, it's not great. I don't know. I'm I'm grateful because like I have like uh it's given me the opportunity to like get a place and like have a cat, and like, you know, I moved out of my mom's house recently. So like it's nice, but like it's just it's it's just so conflicting with my soul, you know.

SPEAKER_03 27:36

Yeah, I get you like yeah, I worked a corporate job for it, it's kind of corporate, it wasn't video games, but it was still a company, you know, it's still an office for like I don't know, eight years before I was like, uh, you haven't a boss, I'm just gonna go freelance and be poor again. But but you know, like it's so it's always it's good to look like established, get something established, save up some money, yeah, get some of the things you need and want, and then we can just quit.

SPEAKER_01 28:07

Yeah, yeah, that's kind of what I'm thinking. I'm giving myself like three months, dude. Three more months, and then I'll see where it's that get the bread, I'll see where it goes. Yeah. And then back to dive back into the whole POC thing, this might be the last few questions I'm gonna ask you. Um growing up like in the 90s with with your crew and everything, like was the scene predominantly white back then? And where I know it's punk, but like there's also still that kind of like animosity, you know, especially like when I first started, I was like 19 getting into the scene, and I was hosting shows and trying to like make a scene, you know, that's inclusive and friendly and warm. And I got a lot of pushback from like the OGs in the scene, you know, and I kind of had to be so good at it that I had to be like undeniable, you know. So like what was it like in the in in that in that era, like trying to like especially as a woman of color, trying to like be in a band and be in a good band and fucking do the shit that she wanted to do?

SPEAKER_03 29:15

So I I had moved from from the DC area when I was I think I was like 15 or 16, right, to Cleveland. So D the DC area, it was it was diverse, you know. I would see people that looked like me around, there's you know, there are Asians, there's black people, there's Latinos, like, you know, so this area where I am back today is was diverse, and you would see people at shows, you know, it looked like you, but but moving to Ohio was a huge culture shock. Like I was probably I was one of like a handful of minorities in the school, and I I'm half, I'm biracial, I'm half white, half Asian, but like, you know, to a to to a white, just Asian, you know, and it kind of goes both ways. Um and and I think that's kind of I mean being biracial probably did push me more into like the punk like scene of like you know, it matters less, like what the fuck you look like. It's just kind of like oh misfits, right? But it was a very white-dominated scene, um, male dominated there. I mean, there were women in in the group, and and my first band was actually all um girls except for the drummer. Like so stereotypical. Um but yeah, it was it was it was um it was it was a little rough at times, you know. Like I never like I was raised my my parents very progressive, you know, they're not you know like uh conservative at all. And to to go over to a friend's house and hear them like drop a slur at the dinner table was like the first time I was like, whoa, whoa, what the fuck? Where am I? And then you know, my friend's looking real embarrassed, and I'm just like, okay, yeah. Um, you know, so there was you know, it's a different, it was a different culture, especially in that era, like in the 90s, you know. Um and it was a little bit violent. The scene was a bit violent. There were a lot of fights, there are a lot of fights between like punks and skinheads, and there were like different types of skin heads, you know, there were like kind of the Nazi ones, and then there were like just the regular ones that were also assholes. So I was getting brawl brawls with these skinhead checks all the time, which is kind of funny. Um, but yeah, like it did I I and then I didn't I I don't think I was like really in a a band uh there enough to like push for any kind of I I got out of Ohio pretty quickly, like um like you know, like ready to ready to go back to the East Coast when I was able to, just cause it it just wasn't wasn't it for me. I still have love for the Midwest, you know, and I I like I do love a lot of people there that I know because you know there's a lot of sweet people there, they're very honest, you know. Um yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:24

Yeah, um no, it's tough, dude. It's it it's tough shit, dude. It's being in a in a space like that, you know.

SPEAKER_03 32:30

Especially when when Yeah, and I'll say though, I'll say that when I did get back to this area and I started a band in Baltimore, uh it was uh about early 2000s, it was still a little bit there's still more women in bands, but it was less common than it is now, which is great to see now, you know. So it was almost like sometimes it was just very much like there were two it was me and the sing the singer was a uh woman, so it was like, oh yeah, girl fronted band, female fronted, which is fine. But now it's like people don't even bother with that anymore because it's not you know as big of a deal, which I think is great. Um although I do I do miss getting princess treatment sometimes. We're all the cute puck boys are like, ooh, I'll carry an amp for you. And I'm like, okay, thanks.

SPEAKER_01 33:17

Oh sick.

SPEAKER_03 33:18

Now they're gonna play. I'm just lazy. I'm just lazy sometimes. I'm like, yeah, oh, I can't carry it. No, I'm carrying amps for these dudes. I was carrying where was I? I was in Gonnerfest and the I won't even name the band, but one of the the drummer for this band we played with the after party was like, I can't list the amp up. I'm I'm too weak. And I'm like, what? You surf. So I just start your carry to all you know what it's all equal now, you know?

SPEAKER_01 33:48

Gender's a construct, whatever. That's pretty cool. Sal, thank you so much for chatting, man. I really appreciate it. I'm fucking glad we got this done.

SPEAKER_03 33:57

And oh my god, yeah, this is fun. Um next time you and yeah, you're bored. Just give me a call sometime.

SPEAKER_01 34:07

Look at here.

SPEAKER_03 34:08

Hello. I'm scared.

SPEAKER_02 34:16

We're on the back.